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Old 26th March 2019, 11:36   #1
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Good start to the season for Ollie Pope - 251 for Surrey versus the MCC in Dubai, batting at #4.
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Old 26th March 2019, 15:27   #2
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Hildreth has moved to 3 at Somerset. I think that might be the in vogue position this season with England’s troubles in that position.

Surrey- Roy
Notts- Duckett
Kent- Denly
Somerset- Hildreth
Essex- Westley
Yorkshire- Ballance
Warwickshire- Bell
Hampshire- Vince
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Old 26th March 2019, 15:36   #3
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Hildreth has moved to 3 at Somerset. I think that might be the in vogue position this season with England’s troubles in that position.

Surrey- Roy
Notts- Duckett
Kent- Denly
Somerset- Hildreth
Essex- Westley
Yorkshire- Ballance
Warwickshire- Bell
Hampshire- Vince
Denly might get another chance given that he's only played a couple of tests, but I really don't see him as an answer. I don't see any of those being a realistic prospect given that they are either too old (Bell/Hildreth) or just not no.3s (Roy/Duckett) or have already failed (Vince, Ballance, Westley).
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Old 26th March 2019, 15:41   #4
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Denly might get another chance given that he's only played a couple of tests, but I really don't see him as an answer. I don't see any of those being a realistic prospect given that they are either too old (Bell/Hildreth) or just not no.3s (Roy/Duckett) or have already failed (Vince, Ballance, Westley).
Duckett has pretty much exclusively opened, albeit in div 2, so can’t see why he shouldn’t get an opportunity.

Hildreth and Bell might not be long term options (especially Bell) but the selectors will want to win the Ashes by any means. Picking Voges at 36 worked for them.

You are right about those who have already had a chance, but of those, I think Vince will get another opportunity.
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Old 26th March 2019, 15:46   #5
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Duckett has pretty much exclusively opened, albeit in div 2, so can’t see why he shouldn’t get an opportunity.

Hildreth and Bell might not be long term options (especially Bell) but the selectors will want to win the Ashes by any means. Picking Voges at 36 worked for them.

You are right about those who have already had a chance, but of those, I think Vince will get another opportunity.
The problem was that Duckett looked quite a long way from ready when he played in Bangladesh and India in tests. There needs to be real evidence that he is a good deal better than last time otherwise it will be a Ballancesque re-run.
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The problem was that Duckett looked quite a long way from ready when he played in Bangladesh and India in tests. There needs to be real evidence that he is a good deal better than last time otherwise it will be a Ballancesque re-run.
He had a real issue opening up against soon. Shouldn’t have that problem at home, and I’ve heard he’s really worked on his game against spin.
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And hildreth.
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That's just being silly.
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That's just being silly.
He was batting 3!
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“He’s got six months left on a contract,” says Allott, “and he’s not scored a run for two years. Not only is he a million miles away from England, he’s hanging on by his fingertips at Lancashire.”

How’s he coping with it all? “Oh, he’s fairly phlegmatic about it,” Allott says. “He works hard, he trains hard, he practises harder than anybody else.

“We try everything. We literally try everything. But at the end of the day, the currency for opening batsmen in cricket is runs. If you score runs you’re fine, and if you don’t, you’re f***ed.”
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Good start to the season for Ollie Pope - 251 for Surrey versus the MCC in Dubai, batting at #4.
I know he didn't score many runs against India, but he looked an organized batsman to me. I wonder why he was dropped after 2 games? If he wasn't deemed ready, odd that he was selected in the first place.
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I know he didn't score many runs against India, but he looked an organized batsman to me. I wonder why he was dropped after 2 games? If he wasn't deemed ready, odd that he was selected in the first place.
He did seem to turn straight balls behind square on the leg side which looked like an accident waiting to happen. He's got plenty of time to come again and I have more faith in Thorpe's advice than Ramps.
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I know he didn't score many runs against India, but he looked an organized batsman to me. I wonder why he was dropped after 2 games? If he wasn't deemed ready, odd that he was selected in the first place.
Only Malan, Broad and Anderson averaged less than Pope in the series, England decided to bring back Ali who scored nearly as many runs in the one fifty he scored as Pope did in the series (3 innings)

Granted since then Ali has averaged 13 and 15.40 in the series thereafter, but taken cheap wickets so England will see that as good reason and not look to the future or address the lack of top order batting, instead sticking to their approach of playing lots of all-rounders - even if over half the England players used in West Indies averaged under the 18 Pope did vs India.....

Not sure Sri Lanka would have been a wise tour for Pope to go on, windies perhaps but England have had an odd approach to picking and dropping players, persisting with some clearly failing and even bringing one back, whilst dropping players at odd times.
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Had to chuckle at the wording of the BBC piece on Vince and his quest to open for England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47733173

What made me laugh was he had to ask Ed Smith how to get back in the side, as if he needed someone to point out the top order was a train wreck most of the time.

"three to opener isn't a massive jump", but as I recall isn't he very airy fairy which is why he was dropped? All England really need is to pick batsmen who can apply themselves, they showed a severe lack of it too often and lost in West Indies not because they aren't good enough but because they aren't good enough at adapting to the match situation and conditions.

A big part of it for me is their attitude of "this is how we play" as if there's nothing wrong with it ever. In some situations it is a good way to play, but TEST cricket is about setting the foundation for your middle order and stroke players to come out and make most of your start - problem for England is they don't make a start



73/2
107/4
96/6 (132 all out)
93/6
77 all out
85/1
39/4
36/2
109/4
89/4
74/3
103/5

Amazingly they win quite a lot, but their six wins in the last eight Tests are tempered by their EIGHT losses in their preceding 14.

How many of those starts above are 'good enough' ? 1-3 maybe. Average of those starts is 82/4, well strictly speaking should take out the 77 all out as it isn't a start, just was no one score that constituted a "start" given they didn't make it to 100.....

Doesn't actually change the starts figure if you exclude the 77 all out, still would cite the average as 82/4 just the 4 would be 3.728 instead of 4.25

That England won in Sri Lanka shows reliance on the middle and lower order to bail out the top order, and the lack of much from Sri Lanka - only two of the top eight averages between the two sides came from Sri Lanka and 3 of the six England players in said top eight were Curran, Buttler and Foakes
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I know he didn't score many runs against India, but he looked an organized batsman to me. I wonder why he was dropped after 2 games? If he wasn't deemed ready, odd that he was selected in the first place.
His selection was bungled badly. He looks a real prospect he had never batted higher than #6 for Surrey and England asked him to bat at #4, which was grossly unfair IMO. To drop him after just 3 innings merely highlighted the initial selection was wrong.
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His selection was bungled badly. He looks a real prospect he had never batted higher than #6 for Surrey and England asked him to bat at #4, which was grossly unfair IMO. To drop him after just 3 innings merely highlighted the initial selection was wrong.
Foakes, Pope, Hameed - all big hopes who faded through getting in the team abroad and then being discarded for various reasons...
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Foakes, Pope, Hameed - all big hopes who faded through getting in the team abroad and then being discarded for various reasons...
Well, that's certainly not the case for Pope (who debuted at home) or Hameed (who was injured and then unable to buy a run at FC level when he returned). It's too early to say about Foakes really so 0/3.
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What part of “various reasons” didn’t cover that ?
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What part of “various reasons” didn’t cover that ?
"Getting in the team abroad" and "being discarded" I think.
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