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Old 29th July 2019, 16:42   #1
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The World Test Championship

hi as a newbie, again forgive me if this thread has started already (happy to be redirected).

So this week sees the start of the WTC with this tears Ashes being the first to count towards the ongoing championship which will end with a top-2 final in England in 2021.

my understanding is each of 9 teams will play 6 series (3 home and 3 away) in that time, giving us a top 2 who will play for the first title of World Test champions.

my thought is this is all about who can win away from home. Who can pick up points on the doctored pitches outside their comfort zone, and who can get the best draw by not having to play Australia, England and India away.

anyone else got thoughts on how this will be won?
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Old 30th July 2019, 10:22   #2
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I don't see the point of a championship competed for over such a long period of time, during which players will come and go and the weather will have much time to have a bearing upon who reaches the final.

Like the World Cup "super over", though, perhaps it will generate the desired amount of artificial excitement.
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Old 30th July 2019, 10:46   #3
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For once I agree. I think the winner keeping the title til they lose it someone else a la boxing is as good a method as any. However if the new format means a more even distribution of series then I’m all for it.
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Old 30th July 2019, 11:09   #4
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Can't see it making a difference to the game in terms of popularity, sponsorship etc but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Reminds me of the time we awarded points during a series. That didn't seem to last long.
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Old 30th July 2019, 12:36   #5
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For once I agree. I think the winner keeping the title til they lose it someone else a la boxing is as good a method as any. However if the new format means a more even distribution of series then Iím all for it.
The flaw with that comparison is boxers have title challenge fights, it isn't decided on the basis of a kind of league but without a start or finish just ongoing nothingness
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Old 30th July 2019, 12:43   #6
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Can't see it making a difference to the game in terms of popularity, sponsorship etc but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Little will, I'd trust that wasn't the point though

Cricket is unique in having multiple formats in which one is not particularly suited to a World Cup, what decides best national side in a lot of sports including football and rugby.

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Reminds me of the time we awarded points during a series. That didn't seem to last long.
I'm half optimistic this format/championship having a start, a finish, and not over too long a period may just work. I think it will be better than the current set up, at the moment it's like a Tour De France where someone is wearing the yellow jersey, it may be someone else next stage, but all this with no champion just a yellow jersey
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Old 30th July 2019, 12:53   #7
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I don't see the point of a championship competed for over such a long period of time, during which players will come and go and the weather will have much time to have a bearing upon who reaches the final.
Difficulty with Tests is 4-5 day contests across several weeks to form a series and so many teams that you'd be hard pressed to do it in 2 years or less.

Maybe they could 'borrow' one of my (many ) past suggestions and have a parallel system, that is :

- play as knockout format like Davis Cup, perhaps the best comparable or maybe copyable event

- if 12 teams then R1 the lowest 8 rank sides are drawn/seeded and play home and away to progress to R2

- R2 they join the top 4 ranked sides and again are drawn/seeded and play what will be QFs home and away, continue in semis to either a one-off final or maybe best of three on neutral turf

- sides not playing in a current round, either top 4 ranked side in R1 or knocked out sides thereafter continue to play for ranking points in series.



Fitting in R1 and R2 in one year, semis and final/3PP in the second makes it a possible two year competition. It's not round robin but that didn't exactly make 2019 World Cup stand out from past competitions, after about 5-6 games it was evident who the semi finalists would be - quality or lack thereof separating contenders from non-contenders

The rankings would stay in place to determine seedings or who needs to play R1, no extra points for "championship games", all points count.
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Test championship is better than the current rankings.

But whether this format is any good or not is yet to be seen.

Do all series count towards the championships?

Will Pakistan play India ?
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Test championship is better than the current rankings.

But whether this format is any good or not is yet to be seen.

Do all series count towards the championships?

Will Pakistan play India ?
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There can also be series played outside the WTC - an example being the New Zealand v England in November which is part of the Future Tours Programme (FTP) but not the Championship.

Likely that Root and a number of players rested for NZ, Stokes getting a go as captain.
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There can also be series played outside the WTC - an example being the New Zealand v England in November which is part of the Future Tours Programme (FTP) but not the Championship.

Likely that Root and a number of players rested for NZ, Stokes getting a go as captain.
So two tier test series. That sucks for the smaller nations.
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There can also be series played outside the WTC - an example being the New Zealand v England in November which is part of the Future Tours Programme (FTP) but not the Championship.
I didnít know that! I hope that where test series fall outside the scope of the WTC that it is clearly signalled somehow. I can see this becoming a nightmare for fans to follow otherwise and weíll end up with more confusion leading to disinterest.
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Again and purely out of ignorance... do Australia get WTC points for winning the first test or are points awarded on a series basis only?
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Again and purely out of ignorance... do Australia get WTC points for winning the first test or are points awarded on a series basis only?
There are points available for every test, which is sort of the point of the WTC (i.e. no dead rubbers).
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There are points available for every test, which is sort of the point of the WTC (i.e. no dead rubbers).
Yes - At the moment Aus sits at the top - with 24 points!

https://www.espncricinfo.com/table/s...t-championship
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Yes - At the moment Aus sits at the top - with 24 points!

https://www.espncricinfo.com/table/s...t-championship
How riveting. Can barely contain the emotion.
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Can I predict an India v Australia Final at Lord's now in a match that hardly anyone will attend because Indian fans don't do Tests.
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Can I predict an India v Australia Final at Lord's now in a match that hardly anyone will attend because Indian fans don't do Tests.
I would imagine that, entrance fee permitting, the final of the world test championship should be an attractive prospect for any test cricket fan, regardless of which team they usually support.
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I would imagine that, entrance fee permitting, the final of the world test championship should be an attractive prospect for any test cricket fan, regardless of which team they usually support.
Well we saw what the ICC did for entrance fees at the World Cup.

England are scheduled to play 5 Tests against India that summer, probably something else against Sri Lanka too. I really can't see many England fans heading to Lord's for a Final that doesn't involve them when there is plenty other cricket for them to attend. I should imagine the Members area will be sparse too (as it was at the World Cup).

Much will depend on whether Indian fans can be tempted to attend.
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Can I predict an India v Australia Final at Lord's now in a match that hardly anyone will attend because Indian fans don't do Tests.
Or they won't want to attend because they will be banned from bringing in the flags, drums and horns that make Indian cricket crowds vibrant but not the"right sort" for Lords?
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